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 Post subject: It's been awhile..
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:06 pm 
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For me owning any weapons. My collection was sold by a family member while I was in the army, but I've decided to start it back up. And wanted to ask some opinions from everyone as to what I shall get. Now keep in mind it won't be until winter when I start buying, but I figure I can find the best bang for my buck with some research. Now here are a few candidates: SIG 556, M14 and variants, yugo milled AK47, or a AR based platform. Keep everything under $2500 :D

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Well you kept out your overall goal (marksmanship practice? cool factor? home defense? historical interest? something else?) so I'll try to cover them all...

As someone who went through a similar process a few years back, albeit with a slightly higher budget (but not by much), here's what I'd recommend for each scenario:

1. All around badass rifle (modern).
Get yourself a piston-based AR, like the LWRC, POF, or countless others now coming out:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/4972 ... SITES.html

Why? Best of everything- accuracy of an AR, interchangeability of components (for the most part), reliability of a piston, etc. etc. Though I would highly recommend researching the #$%^ out of this, since a lot of these systems are new. I'm sure ar15.com can provide you with the "top 3" people are fielding these days. Gotta love the piston for saving you the hassle of (ugh) constantly cleaning the guts of the AR (given you just served, I'm sure you know what I mean!)

2. All around badass rifle (classic).
M1A or FAL, only way to go IMO. Now, I'm not of the wave that's into the shortened, tactical'd M1As. I like them classic, at most with a synthetic stock:

http://www.fsguns.com/images/syn%20blue.jpg

I also love shooting FALs. I'd probably say 308 battle rifles are my all around favorites. Extremely gratifying to shoot and pretty damn accurate if you know what you're doing. Are they dime shooters? No. But the modern ones will certainly put you within MOA territory. Also, both FALs and M1As can be scoped for more fun and versatility. Most mounts for the M1A will allow a see through on the iron sights, so you can dynamically switch between your optic and your irons.

3. Marksmanship - fundamentals.
Go for a 22. Yes, a 22. The more I learn, the more I shoot, and the more I read what others with a load of experience recommend, a 22 is the perfect platform to hone your marksmanship skills. Almost nothing changes when going from a 22 to a larger caliber on your end. Sure it's not as gratifying, but it will perfect your skills, and for a LOT cheaper than larger calibers of ammo. There are countless options out there for a 22 rifle, but many can be had for seriously dirt cheap.

4. Marksmanship - long distance.
Two schools of thought here. Gas and bolt. If you're going bolt, look no further than a Savage or a Remington 700. The differences and models are discussed ad nauseum on sites like snipershide, so I'd head on over there. Be sure to reserve at least 1K for the glass that'll go on top.

For a gas gun, within your budget, I'd probably go with a DPMS in 308. Though there may be some piston ARs in 308 also within range.

Tradeoffs here are pretty standard - bolt gets you (supposedly) better reliability and a bit more accuracy, gas gun gets you faster shots and a more modern platform. Differences between the two are shrinking though with every year.

5. Historical.
If you really wanna go on the cheap, I'd go with a Mosin 91/30. They can be had for fewer dollars than the numbers in their name these days :). Good luck getting great accuracy, but it'll be one heluva fun shooter!

For a little more coin, I'd look at a Garand. Specifically, the CMP sells scores of them in various grades (Field, Service, etc.) from their racks upon racks of surplus rifles:

http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm

This is the way many get into highpower shooting. Big caliber of a gun, but fun to shoot.

6. AK.
To be honest, and this might just be bias speaking, I see no reason in your situation to go for an AK. I love the platform for what it is, but given your budget, I just don't see what a semi-auto AK will achieve for you. You'll give up accuracy, but you won't get all the fun (I'm talking full auto), the opportunity to properly hone your shooting skills, or the affordability (7.62x39mm is still pretty pricey). Effectively you'll have a boomstick that doesn't really do anything as well as the other platforms. Sure it's got reliability going for it, but with the other three platforms mentioned (piston AR, M1A, FAL), I feel you'd be well within the same ballpark.

7. Sig 556.
Again I'd say why. Before the recent proliferation of piston ARs, this was a good option. But now, you're effectively looking at an AR with a heavy trigger and poor parts compatibility. There's nothing wrong with the system, don't get me wrong, but any unique value kind of escapes me at this point.

8. Home defense.
Get a Remington 870 :). In all honesty, I don't know much about what makes an ideal home defense gun beyond what casual reading has taught me. I know this topic is endlessly debated online though, so I'm sure you can find plenty of resources on it. In short, none of the rifles we just discussed even remotely applies to a good home defense weapon in a normal suburban setting (please let's save the zombie stories for Michael Jackson videos :) ). Every gun we discussed is going to give you massive over penetration issues and thereby potential liabilities. Get a shotgun and fill it with something that stops at a wall!

9. Misc.
I'll throw out some other random ideas. For one, I'm *reaaaallly* closely watching this new chassis system for the Remington 700:

http://www.gunblog.com/modular-driven-t ... 00-chasis/

Basically takes your stock R700 barrel and action and wraps it in a near perfect reproduction AR chassis. Gives you all the benefits of the AR (ergonomics, accessories like grips, buttstocks, lights, etc.) and all those of a precision bolt gun. It's a bit pricey (~$800), but coupled with a Remington SPS as a base for around, I don't know, $600 (?), you'd still have enough for glass. Certainly won't be much of a run and gun platform though at that weight, for sure!

For pistols, I am by no means an expert. My approach toward them is find one that's comfortable and that you can shoot accurately and go for it. To that end, far and away my favorite handgun is the USP in 45. Not only do I fire them leagues more accurately than almost any other handgun (I find they group almost like rifles!), I've found the same to be true for almost all new shooters to whom I introduce them. 1911s are a close second, but still for overall ergo, reliability and accuracy, I have never handled anything that matched the USP. You didn't ask about handguns though, so this is probably all moot.

Well, those are my 2 cents (or 4 or 6, by this point :) ). Hope it helps!

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Damn, I had forgotten just how sexy the Tac-21 is! It's a slight shame to change the classic look of the Remington 700, but for that end result I approve.

That and the Bulldog 762 M1A bullpup conversion are the two I find most intriguing. I still think it's a shame they changed the color and shape from the tan prototype to the green production version. I also wish it looked better engineered and less flimsy looking, but still like it.

Prototype:
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I've always had a ridiculous weakness for bullpups: Famas, Aug, P90, Tavor, FN2000 (shell case pooping and all), or even Kel Tec RFB. If it's a bullpup, I want one.
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I'm going for a Badass gun that I can also hunt with lol. In the past I've had 2 M44 Nagant's, Swiss K31, AR-15, Bulgarian AK-74, And a Romy AK-47 Underfolder. I love AK's with a passion, but I kinda need to steer away from them so I can get something new that I haven't had even though I said I wanted a Milled AK haha. The 556 is Just something I've wanted since it came out, but I see your point about the AR's with the new piston systems. The M-14 and FAL are very high on my list thought. I've fired a full auto FAL and fell in love with it, even though .308 is rather expensive. If I decide to go with older bolt action rifles I'll probably end up buying a whole pile of different weapons lol. Mauser, Nagants, K31, and the enfield maybe more. I'm holding off on pistols until I get my CCL. That system for the R-700 looks orgasmic though. After the suggestions I think I'm leaning towards more of the M14,FAL,AR or that r700 system. But only time will tell. I can hunt deer and hogs easier with the .308 round, but the AR can still take them down just have to be more careful where I aim. hmmmm decisions decisions lol.

I'm not that big into bullpups except for the FN2000. Idk might be because I haven't really used one. Maybe I should find someone that has one and try it out before I decide on anything else lol XD

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Bigdaddy wrote:
After the suggestions I think I'm leaning towards more of the M14,FAL,AR or that r700 system. But only time will tell. I can hunt deer and hogs easier with the .308 round, but the AR can still take them down just have to be more careful where I aim. hmmmm decisions decisions lol.

In terms of what you should get, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 4 possibilities you just mentioned.

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I'm not that big into bullpups except for the FN2000. Idk might be because I haven't really used one. Maybe I should find someone that has one and try it out before I decide on anything else lol XD

:) Those actually weren't meant to be suggestions, the uber-sexy R-700 AR conversion just sent me flying down that tangent.

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In terms of what you should get, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the 4 possibilities you just mentioned.


I agree. Now just to figure out which one I REALLY want and what type of setup.

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Those actually weren't meant to be suggestions, the uber-sexy R-700 AR conversion just sent me flying down that tangent.


haha oh okay I gotcha. But that R-700 system is straight sex haha. Should put it in alliance if the military adopts it XD

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I'd try to get as much trigger time as possible with each. Nothing beats that!!! A good resource would be the Hometown section of arfcom. Head on over there and tell people what you're looking to shoot- guaranteed someone will offer up their baby for some trigger time!

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I'd try to get as much trigger time as possible with each. Nothing beats that!!! A good resource would be the Hometown section of arfcom. Head on over there and tell people what you're looking to shoot- guaranteed someone will offer up their baby for some trigger time!

I used to frequency arfcom a lot back in the day but haven't here recently. I need to though because they were the best resource for weapons etc period. I've fired the m14, 700, and full auto FAL but I was just plinking I need to see what accommodates my needs better.

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Just buy the FAL already.

You know you want the Israeli HB version.

DO EEEEEEEET.

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Just buy the FAL already.

You know you want the Israeli HB version.

DO EEEEEEEET.


Haha we'll see what happens. I'm really leaning more towards the M-14 though lol.

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'nuff said.

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Bigdaddy wrote:
DerMann wrote:
Just buy the FAL already.

You know you want the Israeli HB version.

DO EEEEEEEET.


Haha we'll see what happens. I'm really leaning more towards the M-14 though lol.


I definately think you should go with the M1A. They balance extremely well, are built solid and for me at least, are natural pointers. If it we me I would try and find an M1A Scout or Socom 16 (i dont like the socom 2s all the extra rails and crap make them off balance and unless you wear gloves, buy the rubber protectors or have hands of sandpaper they can your hands raw) From what Ive read SA's muzzle breaks are extremely efficient on the scout and 16 versions although people say they are VERY Very loud. To me, the Super Match and to a lesser extent the Loaded arent really worth the money. From what ive been told the gun tends to be more accurate than the shooter (sensitive) and also temperamental and fickle. If you were to have the cash I would recommend you go all out with the M21 they offer.

Knowing you, the full sized one would be perfect. For what its worth the ones ive seen have had excellent wood in em. I swear the full size ones feel shorter and less heavy than they really are, the balance and feel is impeccable imo


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DAMN! although now after seeing that sick FAL.... mustnt... give in!


This might interest you
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteSc ... odels.html
i saw it on the outdoor channel they were doin drills with em. pretty sleek lil guns

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Funny, I should have mentioned the Israeli FAL. Not only because AllianceEric and I love it, but hell, it was the chosen gun to be featured in these here preview videos! ;)

I absolutely love them. Have handled one and I think fired one during our range trips. This guy makes repros:

http://www.frontlinearmory.com/FAL/fals.htm

http://www.frontlinearmory.com/FAL/izzyhb/izzyhb.htm

Either way you go (M1A or FAL), as Woody told Buzz, you'll have a friend in me :)

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Ahh i dream of having money to buy guns.. All I need is a messily $200 to get myself an air rifle with some punch. Im considering taking a dishwashing job at an asian place. :/

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You do realize for $200 you could get yourself one of these:

http://fsguns.com/

With money to spare for good Russian ammo!

(I loved that I went to that site looking for it and THAT was the featured front page item :) )

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You do realize for $200 you could get yourself one of these:

http://fsguns.com/

With money to spare for good Russian ammo!

(I loved that I went to that site looking for it and THAT was the featured front page item :) )


http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm

He has them for $75 :D. Or you can buy them by the crate XD (20 in a crate)

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http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm

He has them for $75 :D. Or you can buy them by the crate XD (20 in a crate)


For when you need to arm a militia... on a budget.

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http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm

He has them for $75 :D. Or you can buy them by the crate XD (20 in a crate)


For when you need to arm a militia... on a budget.

Exactly.. a very very poor militia.

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Exactly.. a very very poor militia.


You can arm 40 men with a crate. 20 men get a rifle, 20 get a 5 round stripper clip.

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