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 Post subject: AK-47 vs. M16
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 pm 
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I just have a small question. Just kinda curious. I was wondering, what do u all think is the better gun? The Ak-47 or the M-16. I heard that the ak is reliable becuase it hardley jams and is a great small arms weapon. You see terrorists getting owned by our guys with S.A.W.s M-4s and M-16s. Is that just them who suck at aiming or if we had our guys (Meaning U.S. if u may) armed with Aks, would we have a better reputation? I don't know a whole lot about the Ak so that's why I'm wondering about it. Thanks for your answers :!: :P

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Ok well there is a very common misconception that the ak is inaccurate with a milled ak-47 against an ar-15 with irons they can pretty much have the same groupings.....but the ar will always be better agains the 7.62x39...althought the ak-47 in .223 Rules all :D (ask poland) I personally dont like the M-16 or its varients that well...there is to much upkeep for them......but I do say If they changed the round from 5.56x45mm to 6.5 grendal I would be VERY VERY VERY HAPPY.


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It all depends on the situation.

For shots that require a greater range, I'd much prefer the M16 and its uber sights and accuracy.

For CQB and whatnot, I'd prefer the AK47 for its stopping power and lack of jamming.

The M16's do take a little more maintenance than the AK's, but it's just the same amount of cleaning you should give your gun regardless of it being an M16. My Webley is one of the most reliable and rugged weapons to date, and I still clean and lubricate it before and after shooting it.


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Yes but I am speaking in a combat situation...where you might not be able to clean it at all....


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Yes, but when you get back from combat you would usually clean your weapon. Even before you leave for combat it's wise to give your weapon a final oiling and cleaning. Even with being in combat for three days cannot make an M16 (let alone an AK) unable to operate.


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The m16 has that nice thing in the butt for a cleaning kit, Also I have never had any issues with any m16's I have used so I trust them.

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Terrorists are mostly on drugs and buying very expensive drugs... So they have to sell their factory new Ak-47's, to get their hands on that expensive drugs... Then they buy some old Ak-47's for the money they have left and being high on that expensive shit... All they see when a dude points a M-16 on them. Are a pink bunny with flowers in their hands... Then they just wake up and sees the M-16... Now they trying to fire with their Ak-47's, but nothing happens. Then they remember a small thingy... Damn, they forgotten to get bullets to the rifles... THE END


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-_-......of course

First of all they arent 2 bit criminals they spend the money they have on their life....killing others and THEY DONT BUY AKS FROM A FACTORY...If you are talking about the guys in afgahnistan.....one thing for you to remeber RUSSIA INVADED THEM...and LOST. Have you ever heard of Weapons dealers? They sell guns to these guys....not brand new ones cause they would be more expensive for the dealer to get so they get some old aks that have seen alot better days. All and all I would rather have my AK-74 :D but since this is the ak-47 give me a Aresenal Milled ak any day over the m16.


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You guys do know that most "AK-47s" you see are really the AKM. The original AK-47 was unreliable do to weld problems so they went with a milled receiver. Then the AKM came out to be an AK-47 with a stamped receiver with weld problems fixed and a muzzle brake.


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well first off, the m16 still has a bad rep due to nam, however, the issue in nam was not actually the fault of the gun. you see about when the conflict was heating up and the m16 had gone through its trials, the army up and decided to switch the rounds. the m16 had been very successfully tested with a different round from the one that was issued to our guys in nam.

the new round built up crud faster leading to bigger issue with cleaning, add to that the harsh jungle climate, and you had a disaster, had they stuck with a KNOWN reliable round for the configuration the m16 would have likely performed much better in nam.

the AK as someone mentioned suffered problems in its first model aswell, you just dont hear about that much because its not an american gun and so there is no past reputation on people's minds about them.


the m16 platform is much improved today, so a modern m16 is actually pretty reliable, even though the AK platform is still the more rugged one. the AK however is not as much a precision firearm as the m16 is, its built with higher tolerances to allow it to operate more simply and reliable in more environments, there are lots of milled AK's out there that are better in this regard, but most AK's are stamped.


inside of normal combat ranges the AK and m16 are both very accurate, the AK has more stopping power in general, but the m16 rounds have at correct ranges a heavily fragmenting design so that it causes catastrophic tissue damage inside the target.

past 300 yards the standard m16 and 5.56 round is not very effective however, the AK and 7.62x39 is more effective at ranges past 300 yards, however at the same time, most AK's are less accurate at those ranges then the m16 platform.

in short range and QCB the AK with 7.62 is more effective, the 5.56 round is designed for use in full length m16 barrels, in a short barrel such as the m4 the round does not reach its optimal velocity and at short ranges it does not achieve proper fragmenting characteristics. basically at short range in an m4 it becomes a high velocity heavy grain .22 almost, though there are different round loads that have varying effects and some are quite profficient at short range or short barrel.

it all depends on alot of characteristics, the AK is not always an ak-47 like you see terrorists carrying, its not always a cheap rugged gun, for example there are AK's in 5.56 nato, some scandinavian and other countries have AK models that are very updated to the point they stand very well toe to toe with most modern assault rifle designs.

the main reason the AK is in such heavy use is simple economics, it is cheap to make, cheap to fix, reliable, easy to use, and there are millions of them out there to buy for next to nothing from ex-soviet countries.

if the situation was reversed and the m16 was the cheap common gun they would be using that instead.

overall however, the AK is usually very adequate, and sometimes as good or better then m16 pattern rifles, the people we fight mostly do bad with it due to their own poor training and abilities, not because the gun is bad, though im sure they also dont take very good care of them either, and rugged or no a well kept firearm will always function better, the AK can hand le more dirt and such in the action then the m16 for sure though.

the m16 is a more closed bolt tight tolerance system,putting dirt in there is like putting dirt into your cars piston chambers, the AK is more open, the top cover is just a flimsy cover, inside its very open, you could put dirt in there and it wouldnt gum up the action too bad in comparison to other guns.


overall though, they're both great platforms, but they are just that very broad firearms designs, not specific guns, you cannot simply say m16 vs ak, you need to ask which specific models, in what circumstances, and in the ned between two equally trained proffesional soldiers, with equally advanced models of each respective design it all comes down to prefference in the end, some people just like one thing over another.

personally, i like the m16 design over the AK design.

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Good overview Chaunsey.

While I'm also partial to more refined M16 platform and its aesthetics (especially the lighter and easier to handle M4), I've also always been a big fan of the Soviet over-engineering and ruggedness. One example that always stood out to me was an Mig-29 that had landing gear issues and touched down on the runway directly on its belly (I think this was at an airshow, but I'm not certain). It was flying again the very next day.


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Good overview Chaunsey.

While I'm also partial to more refined M16 platform and its aesthetics (especially the lighter and easier to handle M4), I've also always been a big fan of the Soviet over-engineering and ruggedness. One example that always stood out to me was an Mig-29 that had landing gear issues and touched down on the runway directly on its belly (I think this was at an airshow, but I'm not certain). It was flying again the very next day.



yep exactly, there is something to be said about cheap, rugged and reliable.


i may prefer the m16 platform, but i love soviet weapons aswell, hell i own a romanian AK aswell as a bunch of mosins and other ex soviet firearms, i love em, dont have an ar-15 yet though.

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My dad has an ar-15 and my friend's dad owns 3 ar'r and an M-16 and...I have to tell you I love shooting the car-15 but All and all just give me a good aresenal milled ak and I will be happy :D


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First isn't an m-16 illegal, Also three AR's seems like over kill. It just seems like he is compensating for somthing.

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yay for a misinformed person....m-16s are not illegal if you bought them from a class 3 dealer and had all the forms and shit signed....and it has to be made before 1986. And 3 ar's isnt overkill....say you want to go hog hunting with 2 friends who dont have any guns....give them the 2 ar's :O...and anyway his dad collects guns so I dont see the problem?


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people who dont own weapons and go hunting: muchers :P

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Aye, quite so.

However, I own a Mauser and a Webley, now what use are those arms for crow hunting? I borrow my friend's shotgun(s).

I personally dislike both M16's and AK47's. Give me a good ol' Mauser, Garand, or M1 Carbine anyday.

By the way, it's moochers.


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First isn't an m-16 illegal, Also three AR's seems like over kill. It just seems like he is compensating for somthing.



ya...compensating for the otherwise lack of 3 ar-15's.


i doubt all 3 are identical, they have different purposes.

for instance, he may want an short barrel m4 type, maybe an A1 pattern as part of a US arms collection, or for nostalgia sake if hes a vet, then theres a standard full length barrel, or various other calibers, maybe .50 upper, mnaybe a competition heavy barrel config, maybe one is setup in a good hunting configuration.


the AR15/m16 is a very versatile p[latform and can be made to fill any needs mostly.

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I do believe he has a regular M16 (but it's converted to Full Automatic, yet it retains the rounded grip), either a Car-15 or M4, and another AR15.


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 Post subject: Re: AK-47 vs. M16
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I just have a small question. Just kinda curious. I was wondering, what do u all think is the better gun? The Ak-47 or the M-16. I heard that the ak is reliable becuase it hardley jams and is a great small arms weapon. You see terrorists getting owned by our guys with S.A.W.s M-4s and M-16s. Is that just them who suck at aiming or if we had our guys (Meaning U.S. if u may) armed with Aks, would we have a better reputation? I don't know a whole lot about the Ak so that's why I'm wondering about it. Thanks for your answers :!: :P

Actually Terrorist's or part of them owns USMC :S
some guy (don't know who, but my friend knows) shows how he kills americans, he has a net site, and he has videos of him sniping them with Dragunov, what SADISTIC BARBARIAN!!!
"I record when i shoot people!" -what a bunch of retard!

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